my daughter will be getting married this coming august.
she and her future husband are not jehovah's witnesses.
they will have a non-religious wedding ceremony.
A JW relative of mine attended the funeral of his mother at the K Hall. There was a meal that followed at her house. It was a cold, damp, drizzly day. He sat with his plate outside at a picnic table so the religious fanatics inside wouldn't "even eat a meal" with such a man.
I was a young boy at the time and had to have it recounted to me by my DFed, gay, older brother.
Chris Hitchens said something to the effect that if you want people to commit GREAT evil, you need to include religion.
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recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order.. yet another person, with no connection to dubs and no motive to make this up, saying this same thing.
interesting.. i'm surprised the thought police have not come out with an article saying jehoopla reads the hearts and judges as bloodguilty those who are relieved when forced to take blood..
Uh, rebel8, I think we're probably talking right past each other here.
This quote from the link you posted confirms my earlier assertion:
"Generally, it is only when the child’s life is at risk that the weighing of interests favors the child and the government authority that is asserting the child’s rights."
Bottom line, if to a "reasonable degree of medical certainty" the kid's going to die without a blood transfusion, the whining JW parents can go pound sand while the ER docs give them blood to save their life. That's the reality in urban, Western, ERs that have access to judges willing to sign off 24/7 to save a kid's life.
If the kid's gonna die, the cult can suck it and the kid's gonna live.
Am I missing something here?
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watchtower minions have pulled down jwsurveys links .
here's another one .. the gb should be held liable for this crap.
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cvas6fcrc9zca94/shepherding_instructional_suicidal_widow.avi.
marked
Thanks Watchtower-Free !!
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leaving the university with my degree!.
exams are finished and it's just a matter of days before i walk.. i was certainly stressed about doing this.
i'm older than my classmates and armageddon was sooooo close!
Well done Billy. On all levels!
recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order.. yet another person, with no connection to dubs and no motive to make this up, saying this same thing.
interesting.. i'm surprised the thought police have not come out with an article saying jehoopla reads the hearts and judges as bloodguilty those who are relieved when forced to take blood..
Ahhh.... Got it.
Thanks rebel8.
I would imagine we're talking about situations where the child needs blood soon, but not necessarily immediately. My understanding is that, at least in most of the U.S., if a child needs an emergency transfusion due to being in an automible accident, they get it. Now. The squawking of their cult-member parents is just an annoying bit of background noise in the ER.
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recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order.. yet another person, with no connection to dubs and no motive to make this up, saying this same thing.
interesting.. i'm surprised the thought police have not come out with an article saying jehoopla reads the hearts and judges as bloodguilty those who are relieved when forced to take blood..
rebel8: "Recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order."
I think I must be missing something here. I've been told by several people (some JWs, some not) who work in and around Emergency medicine that many ERs have access to judges, 24/7, who are willing to issue court orders so that JW kids receive life-saving blood transfusions.
Once a court order is issued, it doesn't matter whether the JW parents are willing to "take" blood or not, the kid's going to get it. In fact, if the JW parents continue to raise a big stink once the court order has been issued, they look extra righteous to whatever HLC vultures happen to be lurking.
Could you please clarify what exactly the JW parents in this kind of situation are agreeing to?
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I'll be sending you a PM warning against the dangers of immoderate use of alcohol.
i saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.
they were not actively approaching anyone.
what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.
Heaven: "I think they haven't arrived in full force in Canada yet."
Well, maybe not full force, but they were parked across the street from a Toronto sex toy shop last October.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/humour/265399/1/Perfect-spot-for-street-preaching
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i use the word clinging, as i feel that is what i am doing.
as far as my knowledge of science, namely chemistry is concerned, i am satisfied there is evidence of a creator.
i am happy to believe this.
to Data-Dog on the "Modern Jesus" song!!
Well worth a listen while reading the lyrics!
(Adding "liars" and "choirs" to my list of rhyming words.)
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well its been a while since my doubts were first realized.
ive been through hell mentally, but no where near what some on this site and those lurking have been through.
i got lucky, if you believe in that sort of thing.
Beautifully said!
(except for the salvation part, but that's just me)
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